avikcse
Dec 9 2005, 10:50 PM
Guys its up to you those who love cricket
I want your feedback on this ...... only from those who have some sence about cricket .
Find some time to go through the mail?
2,2,2,39,19,11,2,67,93,9,123,6,2,4,47,19,16,74,18,78,82,11,18,37.
31,2,19,20,5,26,51,18,4,9,0,22,55,22,0,48,0,90,90,7,24,25,79,39,60.
The total of the first row is 673. The total of the second row is 746.
This is full of surprise.
The first one is the total of last 25 ODI innings of the Indian great Sachin.
The second one is of Mr. Bong (according to a famous ex-Indian cricketer).
Let's go through some other figures.
16,41,52,52,94,36,32,20,3,55,248,5,2,8,1,8,2,194.
16,101,2,1,12,12,21,88,71,40,57,9,5,45,77,73,144.
The total of the first row (Sachin's last 18 test innings) - 869 and that of second row (Ganguly's) - 774.
The stats include Sachin's 248 against "Giants" Bangladesh and Ganguly's 101 against "novices" Zimbabwe.
If we take these two innings out then we have 621 and 673 respectively. The first one is Sachin's score, the second one of the worthless Bong.
If performance and not star system is going to be the key for inclusion in the Indian team, well then figures don't lie and they say it all. Note that, I am not saying Ganguly is a better player than Sachin but both are at the same level if their latest performances are to be considered. So when some Ganguly haters start barking that Ganguly hasn't been performing of late, the facts say, so hasn't Sachin. Shouldn't be the parameters for selection to the Indian team be the same for all the players or when Sachin's turn comes past performances and huge experience are the criteria. Then we should start calling back Gavaskar, Shastri and the likes. Of late whenever India needed Sachin to perform under pressure he almost always failed. The latest being the series against SA.
And proving himself in domestic cricket,? when has Sachin last played in domestic cricket? Ganguly has to score runs in domestic cricket to prove that he is in form after recovering from injury but Sachin is included in the team automatically after a long absence due to tennis elbow.
Again double standards and again no one asks questions!
So all you true cricket lovers think twice before you say something, because you can say anything? but the figures will always tell the truth.
You can add your comments to our blog in indiatimes. The blog title is "Tendulkar and Ganguly-Some facts and figures". But before you do that, just pass this mail to your friends and ask them to be rational while criticising Ganguly. He is not the worst ever Indian cricketer as he is made out to be by his critics and that eternal joker Bishen Bedi.
arouljp
Dec 10 2005, 12:43 AM
machi its very interesting
and i agree with the figures
hari_sure
Dec 10 2005, 04:49 AM
i disagree with these comments ... as i always tell this shows only 1 side of the coin ... u need to take many things into consideration ... ganguly has lost respect frm his team mates courtesy of tat spat btn him n chapell
lets look at some other facts .... in the past 1 yr india lost soo many matches with alarming regularity ... but after ganguly was dropped n sachin made an entry .. look at the stats ... they speak for themselves ... 8 wins in 11 matches ... sachin gives 100% in everything he does .. be it bowling battin or fielding but the same cannot b said abt ganguly ...
n also the main pt sachin commands respect frm his team mates whereas ganguly lost respect bcoz of the spat ...
finally i wud like to say tat dont jus look at one side of the coin thr r many things tat go into the selection process ... any more doubts??
The Assassin
Dec 10 2005, 07:36 AM
I dont agree with hari that it is only one side of coin.It doest even cover a part of one side of coin.
comon...18 innigs,23 innings..hahaha..lolz..this is funny.Here is my Arguments:
1.Ganguly has not been performing for past almost 3 years.is this same case with sachin?no way...
2.Ganguly doesnt gets complete respect from team members,press,coach,each and every1 associated with Indian cricket team and also the media
Its not same with sachin,he is an idol,and commands high respect ,let it be the adminsitration or press or within the team
3.ganguly is so intteligent that he will reveal all thats happening in dressing room like the famous chappel conterversy to Press
Sachin is a true proffessional and behaves like professional..
4.Not batting alone matters...Come to Fielding Department..look at some of wonderfull match winning catches taken by sachin,like one of inzamam's in last indo pak series.Wake up dude...catches win matches
5.Ganguly is regular to practice sessions and other workouts that he reaches always in time..bull shit..comon..we see so many reports in media,that ganguly skips due to this,due to that..
6.If Sachin walks out to bat in kolkata or mumbai or chennai the cheer he gets is always huge and loud.whereas sourav is mostly welcomed only with boos..
got many...but these r enough to prove that making comparison between sachin and gaguly is not only foolish but also idiotic.
hari_sure
Dec 10 2005, 07:41 AM
xcellent machan .. point by point xcellent xplanation .. nows lets c avikcse's response
The Assassin
Dec 10 2005, 07:57 AM
dai machan..i dono if avik is an ganguly fan..may be he just wanted to share with us..
i wud like to read it from yamishyakoob..he is an adarent fan of our ganguly..it wud be nice if we cud exchange some points and discuss in more healthy way.
i like these type of topics which generates not only good discussions but also some thinking for u r brain.
IncarnatedSolventAbuse
Dec 10 2005, 08:28 AM
I see that somebody is talking about me!!!
I agree with everything quoted on the original post.. The hypocrisy's of Indian Team Selection
maddy2003
Dec 10 2005, 09:23 AM
WOW what a find, chanceless thnx da machi, interesting one
The Assassin
Dec 10 2005, 09:39 AM
QUOTE(yamishyakoob @ Dec 10 2005, 01:58 PM) [snapback]100527[/snapback]
I see that somebody is talking about me!!!
I agree with everything quoted on the original post.. The hypocrisy's of Indian Team Selection
lol..machan..i knew u r adarent fan of ganguly..but i dont accept wat is quoted in original post..
AlFaLfA
Dec 10 2005, 10:49 AM
gud post
here's my verdict
sachin has proven many a times and in his last comeback too after the tennis elbow operation
even ganguly had a chanceto come back and even as a captain takin dravid out - but he jus got lesss than 100 runs in 4 matches
u all know that ganguly was forcin the selectors for his captain position thru dalmiya
did sachin do it when he was not performing well as a captain
the only thing he did was get out of that captaincy position and play his normal cricket
even now ganguly is tryin but he's not able to- as he has lost his big supporter dalmiya from the post
note that sachin and ganguly hasn't been opening together for a long time since
and when u c both opening with different pairs
who gets the craze of the crowd
its sachin(whomsoever he comes out with)
even when ganguly comes out with sewag or anyother better player -u don c the gud cricket fans goin gaga around the dadha
i feel its high time for ganguly to retire fro international cricket when he has a reasonable amount of fans
and one more............
comparison makes it worse for ganguly and not for sachin
remember that
regards
sundar
arouljp
Dec 10 2005, 11:12 AM
machi great explanation!!!!!!!!!!!
but wat about Sachin Vs South africa series?
2, 2, 2, 36 ?????????
hari_sure
Dec 10 2005, 12:31 PM
here v r talkin abt sourav for the last 1 or 2 years .... for sachin its jus the SA series ... i.e. 4 matches tats it
AlFaLfA
Dec 10 2005, 12:35 PM
it all happens
dint u c in the titan cup with the south africa
sachin was the best player in the series overall
he blasted alan donald
and chk even todays match
another record
a man with the most no of centuries even in test cricket
here's the career info of sachin
Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50 W BB BowlAv 5w Ct St
overall 124 10156 248* 57.05 34 41 37 3/10 48.83 0 77 0
here's the career info of sourav ganguly
Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50 W BB BowlAv 5w Ct
overall 279 10123 183 40.65 22 60 93 5/16 37.31 2 96
well that explains everything
hari_sure
Dec 10 2005, 12:44 PM
its better if v stop comparing btn sachin n sourav ... sourav is no whr near sachin ... this comparison wil only disgrace sourav more .. tats wat i feel
AlFaLfA
Dec 10 2005, 03:32 PM
thats i told before in my post
it jus makes it more worse for sourav